Spam them slackers!
Endless Rage December 7th, 2007Europeans goes here
NA clients goes here
And tell them why Endless Rage sucks.
Update: Random quotes:
Endless Rage - This talent is lackluster to begin with.
Endless Rage. This talent needs an overhaul badly. It does not offer what the name sames.
Endless Rage: Worst 41 pt talent ever…i can’t think how to make it better, so i would just scrap it and make a new 41 pt talent in arms.
Endless Rage - completely useless 41 pt talent.
Endless Rage – Nice, but not for a top of a tree talent
Endless Rage is not worth the points for what it does.
Endless Rage, If you get this talent you are mocked and its not worth to get it over the the talents in fury.
Endless rage is not necessary. I would like to see something that increases the warrior’s susceptibility to heals, i.e. Warrior recieves 10% bonus from all healing spells.
*Endless rage: Useless, needs to be improved to be worth speccing into arms.
Endless Rage- Although it does give a small boost, it is not really enough to put points into instead of a better talent.
Endless Rage is ok but not worth our 41 points because of the points you have to sink into worth less ability’s just to get that high up the tree for a minor upgrade.
Endless rage, ugly and not juicy 41pts talent, I’m taking Flurry over it anyday
endless rage - completely useless imo
Endless Rage: completely worhless, sucks ass for a 41 talent.
Endless Rage. Useless now. Would be great to make it like a constant flurry. More rage + more damage.
Endless Rage is utter poop! Redesign it or give us Leap Attack instead HUUH!
Wake up Blizzard.
Terhix
December 7th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
All of that is completely retarded. I love endless rage. Since I switched from 33/28, to 45/11/5, I never want to go back. Endless rage, Unbrideled Wrath, Tactical Mastery, Anger Management, and Improved Bloodrage keeps me powered up all the time. Wayyyyy more than 3/5 Flurry, UW, and AM. Stop QQing and get more attack power, nubs.
December 7th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Willma, please link your character for arena rating/ gear viewing purposes.
December 7th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Don’tcha love how people don’t take skill in front of gear anymore?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Willma
My rating is 1520 and some change. The only reason it’s low like that is because my PVP gear kind of sucks. I’ve got every part of the arena set except the pants. I’ve got all epics minus my trinkets and one ring; around 250 resilience.
December 7th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
When you use ER, there is definetly a noticable difference in rage generation. I decided to try it after my old 33/28 because of the post here about ER and Imp MS. I honestly love Imp MS…I just hate that it takes a full 5 points. But now I get close to 2k MS crits, way higher than it was. By the way, using Gorehowl with Executioner was an idea I will not be regretting anytime soon.
December 7th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I’ve been running 45-11-5 also with unbridled wrath and imp bloodrage since I have a pocket healer. Definitely not rage starved any more. 3/3 imp hamstring rocks in BGs. Just got my S1 mace this morning. Getting it enchanted tonight with executioner tonight so I can continue terrorizing clothies (except spriests and their evil shields). Absolutely love endless rage when I don’t have to change stances.
December 7th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
All the people that posted saying endless rage is good, plz /wrist or show gladitor title or proof of 2200+ team.. and if you happen to reach that goal plz post your BG group because if you got 2200+ that BG is completely worthless..You don’t know shit about high end arenas.. I specced endless rage to only respec back a day later after alot of testing to come to the conclusion that anger management is = to or > than endless rage by itself.
Sure go for it in bg’s and pve but in arena’s where every second matters, endless rage is BS and worthless for a 41 pt talent, hell its should take the place of anger managament at most(and im not even sure about that), thats how worthless endless rage is and thats the only way i would ever consider getting it again when i could get flurry and or sweeping strikes and or weapon mastery and or tactical mastery!!(far superior talents for less talent pts spent).. who the hell and there right mind would get endless rage over those..
December 7th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
So…let me get this straight. You’re looking at the top arena team players?…to know what EVERY warrior needs to be? Your argument is invalid. Just because people have a badass healer doesn’t make them great warriors. Anger management =/= Endless rage.
December 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
I don’t have to look at the other top teams to see that endless rage is garbage compared to talents that would indeed perform better in a giving situation for far cheaper cost in talent points. Heard of the slogan bang for your buck, well how about bang for your Pts.. Endless rage is expensive and the product is shitty(Thats a bad deal and let me tell you i was pissed having to pay that respec price). So ima go over to the fury tree spend my pts where i know im getting bang for my pts for cheaper Everytime.
And of course ima look at what other teams to see what specs and strag there using and play against them and form my own, its the way to get better and to improve… I kept an open mind and i tested endless rage for myself Im not saying you can’t win arena’s with endless rage but i am saying you’d perform alot more consistently without it.
December 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Willma,
Its not that looking at high end arena team specs is all its about, its that until you really get up there in the competition where 400+ res, 11k health on every member is a the norm, you really don’t know why people are complaining so much about ER as a 41 point talent. You have to play and perform a certain way at that level and losing the fury talents for ER and imp MS just does not cut it.
You say you are fine with rage, but I am sure you have come up agianst teams where hitting that holy priest was not getting you the rage you need. Thats what it is like all the time at the higher levels for wars. We need talents like flurry and slam over imp. MS and ER.
December 7th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
this is one case where i agree with everything said in the orig post
If your in arena situations over 80% of your time in wow u should NOT be specced endless rage unless you are a FF’d noob pawn for your 5’s team.
December 8th, 2007 at 12:09 am
I have to agree with Wilma.
I’m not saying Fury talents like Enrage or Weapon Mastery are bad, I just think they’re overrated. Personally, I’m 41/5/15, and Endless Rage and Last Stand have done more for me in arena than Enrage or Weapon Mastery or Sweeping Strikes could have ever done. Heck, Last Stand alone has been the deciding factor between victory and defeat in more than a few of our matches.
But having said that, I also acknowledge Endless Rage is weak for a 41 point talent and it could use more attention from the developers. I also miss having Improved Slam for doing sustained raid DPS, but I firmly believe Slam as a baseline ability should already incur the benefit of Improved Slam. Fixing Slam and improving Endless Rage are two things I noted when replying to Blizzard’s feedback thread, and I noticed many other warriors felt the same way, too.
December 8th, 2007 at 10:43 am
@Willma and Ard… I think you are focusing your energy abit wrong here and missing the big picture. I am 42/5/14 specc myself (Since i like to be able to tank heroics on the side of doing bgs and arena) so yes Endless Rage is nice and all but is it really “on par” with other classes 41p talents?
It’s a known fact that most warriors choose to ignore our “omg imba 41p talents” and go for hybrid speccs, and for a good reason!! The 41 arms talent just isn’t good enough to give up what you can get from fury tree for pvp atm.
December 9th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
I actually am full agree with that endless rage is total crap, but i dont like to go geekboys and make standard build like 33/28, so after testing it for a while i stopped on 41/17/3
Well yea, im not “imba arena rated” and i were playing before s3 on 1600-1700 ratings, but ER+Imp.MS gaved me better dps preformance then 33/28 or 35/23/3, since i have one more melee dps in group, i cant go 33/28, cuz 4% x2players > flurry.
Comparing 41/17/3 to a 35/23/3 results was that with ER it realy works to MS spamm w/o stopp every 5sec cooldown + stack one sunder, while i have on cooldown whirwild and 3.5 secs to next MS after GCD, main thing is not to miss auto attack or not to engage shielded target(er usless than).
I really did enjoyed it more, than when i was 35/28/3 for couple days, rage difference is realy feelible then, even for simple slamm usualy i hadnt enough rage if i preform MS and whirwild, without already speaking about stacking some sunder.
Realy dont know where is difference on high end arenas..
December 11th, 2007 at 2:36 am
Correct me if i’m wrong but here’s how i imagine the trees focus:
Fury = DW, reactive abilities(flurry, enrage etc)
Prot = mitigation, shield (reflect, shield slam)+ stuns (conc blow + talented revenge)
Arms = 2H weapon. Mortal Strike. numbers are big and slow.
IMO, ER ‘feels’ like a fury talent. A 41pt arms talent should focus more on combat expertise than HULK SMASH!!
Problem is, the appropriate skills already exist:
instant attack with a debuff (MS)
reactive instant (OP)
+ talents to improve BOTH skills
AoE instant (WW)
next-swing attack (HS)
Next Swing AoE (Cleave)
battle charge (intercept) +talent
Stun (concussion blow)
Prot tree talent which lowers rage cost of all abilities
Only thing i can think of which might be useful as a 41 talent that brings something new to the arms tree would be a Battle Stance buff. If staying in Battle Stance means you lose whirlwind and can be feared, you need a payoff.
Imp Battle Stance: while in battle stance dodge, parry (because less damage taken a prot thing) and healing recieved are increased. healing recieved is further increased relative to how full teh rage bar is.
CRITICISE ME! and remember, there are no stupid suggestions, just stupid posters.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
@teh Z well as i see it prot=pve tanking / fury = pve dualw dps / Arms = pvp. You suggestion doesn’t sound appealing to me at all since dodge and parry isn’t really what i need in pvp. And no it wouldn’t add to my surviveability much since what usually kills me is magic damage. Would you specc deep Arms if ER was replaced with the talent your suggesting? I wouldn’t.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
37/21/3
Season 2, my 2v2 ended above 1850. Not doing so hot right now, but we’re getting there. Battlegroup: Vindication, Server: Lightning’s Blade. I hope I have properly humbled myself before the internet community, and perhaps now I can make a worthy suggestion.
I would propose a name change and ability update to 5/5 Improved Mortal Strike to Improved Offensive Strike and in addition to its current function, make heroic strike an instant attack in Battle Stance only. And with Endless DispaRAGE, add a passive ability to it that increases damage range (top and low end) by 50, stackable to 5 times, upon each successful critical hit on a victim for 30 seconds.
I hope I’m not off my rocker.
December 11th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Ras, I like those suggestions.
A lot.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:10 am
I haven’t played 1800+ arena.
I like endless rage in 45/5/11 with last stand and battle master’s trinket, especially since I have lower res in full glad/vindicators.
When fighting a warrior, the goal for most classes is don’t let them hit you. While being CC’ed or kited around carrying a honky 3.6 speed weapon, to me it matters most to have the rage available to do as much as possible during the little time that a good opponent gives a warrior. This means having an auto-attack queued, intercepting and still having rage to land MS, WW, and OP/VR/Execute if they are up. This seems like a 1v1 duel point of view, but I don’t take flurry because I usually have 3 melee dps and a windfury totem in my 4 dps 5’s and because enrage is often useless (you are either not getting hit or should be turtling). Last stand helps with only one healer to provide a window for silencing/reaction time. If you get last stand, you cant get anything in fury tree so you might as well finish arms. ER has its place.
That being said, I’m still all for an ER buff
December 12th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
my nick, is the problem. Blizz will never give us warriors a strong 41 pointer. theyre too afraid to unleash the beast. like all the changes in rage mechanism which are supposed to bring us “under control”, they give us tiny bits of buffs once a year, but never DARE giving a real buff. every damage buff results trough the rage mechanism in even more dmg. more rage - more dmg. even with “normalized” rage gen.
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think about this… endless rage only increases the rage from damage DEALT! not even the rage through damage TAKEN which is already 50%(!) rage per incoming damage compared to same numbers from dealt damage.
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its just… ridiculous.
blizz refuses to buff warriors –>
warrios must improve their gameplay to compete –>
warrios are forced play their class better than other clases, they just have to –>
if warrios get a tiny buff then, the warrios with perfectionalized gameplay seem OP –>
warrios get nervs!
December 12th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I browsed the US forums, and it looks like consensus is:
ARMS:
- ER is not good enough for 41 pt talent.
- Rend and imp rend are garbage.
FURY:
- unlink enrage and flurry, enrage is useless to raiding.
- Rampage doesn’t scale and is a pain to keep up, weak 41 pt talent.
- Get rid of 10% dmg taken in zerker.
PROT:
- Take shield bash (and pummel) off GCD
- Calculate rage gen from incoming damage pre-mitigation, so that wars can tank heroics in t5/6
- Allow taunt to do something in pvp
- Tclap needs to allow us to aoe tank like pally/druid.
- Vitality needs more than 5% sta increase for 5 pts.
There were other requests that weren’t bad, but weren’t popular either. Fury warriors want death wish back instead of sweeping strikes, which I agree with. Imp cleave needs to do something else, reduce rage or hit more targets. Shouts (demo/battle) should affect spells.
My theory is that blizzard knows it can never balance 8 classes, so it gets as close as it can and then rotates who gets to be OP every few months. By a few nerfs/buffs they can basically rejuvenate the game for players at minimal cost to themselves. Remember when druids were topping dmg meters while bear-tanking kara due to OP mangle? Right now disc priests and rogues, and to some extent hunters are getting some time in the sun with their recent buffs. We probably need some more nerfing before our turn comes around again.
December 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Hunters have had enough of their time in the sun. I don’t understand why Blizzard heaps more and more tools on them. If it isn’t concussion shot, it’s improved wingclip, or it’s one of their freeze-you-in-place traps, or it’s an arcane shot to take away your buffs, or it’s a viper sting taking mana from your healer, or it’s an aimed shot which is a 35 yard Mortal Strike. And let’s not forget Beastial Wrath. No class has had this much utility, EVER.
The only thing that gives me any solace is knowing that we don’t have it as bad as an enhancement shaman in pvp.
December 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Tclap needs to allow us to aoe tank like pally/druid
Amen
December 12th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Hunters were crap in arena PvP before 2.3 and we all know it. They are barely on teams now. If you are looking at BGs, well then who cares? Its a BG.
Hunters are pretty sick in PvE DPS though. If anything, they are definitely at the top of their game there. I’d like to see buffs to their pvp survival but a nerf to their overall damage.
For now, I’ll stick to my 33/28 until Blizz gives me a good reason to change.
December 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
I have a new idea for a warrior ability
‘I am fucked’. A passive ability that is active when you are the last person in your party alive. Increases damage output by 500.0%, and instantly annihilates your next victim and his next of kin when struck.
December 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
1 vote for i am fucked ability. I laughed at that.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
The last post here was six days ago, new post please!
December 13th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Double or triple the threat generation of Thunderclap, Blizzard!
January 14th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/153453/Mortal_Assault.html
simple..